Muay Thai: Why Women Can’t Handle It


The Difference Between Women Who Train Muay Thai and Those Who Don’t

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Certain studies say women tolerate pain better than men.

That would explain – to a certain degree – why it is women who bear the children and why they are more inclined to endurance disciplines whereas men tend to dominate in sports that require short intense bursts of efforts (think marathon vs. sprint running).

Based on these findings, we could be led to believe that women wouldn’t shy away from anything pain related such as martial arts, or in this specific case – Muay Thai.

Photo by Anthony B. Geathers of www.abgphotos.com

Photo by Anthony B. Geathers of www.abgphotos.com

‘Cause let’s face it, when it comes to pain, nothing (or very few things) comes to it as close as Muay Thai: getting kneed in the stomach, kicked to the ribs, punched in the face and thrown around like a rag doll in the clinch, all that shit hurts. Yet, in Muay Thai gyms women are practically non-existent.

How is that so?

As a girl who’s decided to take to learning Muay Thai for close to three years now, I’ve seen my share of women walk in the gym for a free trial class only to never come back. I’ve come to wonder why is it that this sport that is the epitome of empowerment for women never gets a hold of them.

While in all honesty, it does have to do with the way they are introduced to the art (some instructors can be all balls and no brains and will never know how to cater to a female clientèle in a male dominated sport), this refusal of martial arts on women’s part is much deeper than that.

Caley Reece, WMC World Champion said it best herself:

I don’t think any girl that fights is really a regular girl. They’ve got to have something in them different to be a fighter […] the time and the dedication that goes into it is something not a lot of girls would be able to do. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrsakJXntAo )

Some will say it’s because we don’t have that fighting spirit in us, but that’s bull.

Agustin Fuentes, chair of the department of anthropology at the University of Notre Dame, has discovered that before age 7, boys and girls are equally directly aggressive and that after childhood however, it becomes less acceptable for girls to give each other noogies and the likes.

(Source: http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/11/the-evolution-of-bitchiness/281657/).

caley reece muay thai womanThat’s in large part because past age 7, society archetypes start to emerge and girls then begin to understand what the female paradigm entails. And not only do they begin to understand it, they also come to discover that this paradigm shuns anything related to aggressively, grit and determination.

When you’re a girl, you learn that suffering stops when you start to cry, whine or show the slightest sign of discomfort. That the minute you do so, someone will run to protect you from harm. When you’re a girl, chances are you’ve never had to “deal with it” for a very long time. Someone – your dad, your brother, your boyfriend – always comes to your rescue.

In Muay Thai however, none of that shit works!

Whining only makes you lose your coach’s respect. It doesn’t make the drill stop… the timer makes the drill stop.

Don’t count on anyone to come to your rescue in the ring either. In fact, put on that damsel in distress act you’ve learned to master in there and chances are you’ll get an even worse beating that you would’ve if you just kept your mouth shut, walked forward and kept your focus.

And don’t even THINK of turning on the charm and acting cute. When it comes to Muay Thai, you better forget about being cute altogether. Any girl who has done this long enough knows it’s all down hill from clinch hair.

The problem is girls just aren’t used to being ignored when they act a little helpless when the going gets tough – they’re used to being cajoled and comforted. And the reaction they get in Muay Thai gyms (or absence of reaction should I say) clashes so much with what they’ve become accustomed to getting that they’d rather never come back, say they at least gave it a try but that it wasn’t for them.

tiffany van soest muay thaiAll in all, women stay away from Muay Thai because it forces them to break from a female paradigm that’s been engrained in them for years. It has nothing to do with strength or weakness but everything to do with how they’ve been raised.

When you’re a girl and you decide to dedicate yourself to this crazy passion that is Muay Thai, you have to shape another you from scratch and to rethink your ego. It’s a pretty hefty task.

One so big in fact, that it might just explain why you’ll never see that girl who came in for a free try out class again.

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Pascale Fontaine
My name is Pascale Fontaine, I've been learning muay thai for about three years at Académie Sparmax in Rosemère, Canada, under Ajarn Normand Grimard. I attended the TBA Pacific Northwest Annual Muay Thai Training Camp in 2014. I plan on having my first amateur fight in 6 months. I graduated from University of Montréal in 2005 with a degree in literature and in 2008 with a degree in translation.








Comments 7

  1. I remember expressing the pain at the beginning..like ow..my wrists hurt. Believe me it was not to get someone over..i think it hurts the lads too when they begin..i just think women will be more likely to tell you about it. Young men are fully instilled with the idea that they cannot admit pain. I’d say women in general are more likely to express because they are encouraged this way…but I notice women who are still trying to look pretty when they fight or sexy. It makes me laugh. I don’t know about anyone else but I fight from my core which is full of deep seated rage. Sounds grand but it’s true. Finding muay thai was like something meant to be..ive heard big ‘hard men whinge at me cos they’ve said my nail varnish is too hard for them if I miss a kick. Lol. It suits me less women. I like fighting and I like going to a testosterone filled gym and not having to try to entertain women or acquiesce to their bitchery..but I’m not normal.i started boxing when I was the only girl at the gym in 1998. Those were the days 😁 keep a sense of humour. Those girls don’t come back. So what. Loads men don’t come back. They usually leave when they realise it hurts.i see girls stay when they know that and they’ve been hurt that much in life they want the empowerment.

  2. Stop being such a sexist. I’m a women and I hit some good nuts in Muay Thai. I also got a lot of metals, huh? how many? yes, some 10. What if I said men can’t handle anything except Muay Thai? you might be saying NO NO NO.

    1. Well Jessie, I’ll admit the title was there for shock value. Annnd it worked! I definitely did not write this piece from a sexist place, but rather to empower women to break free from the stereotypes. I might have gone too far with the tough love approach and lost some readers along the way. That’s fine too. As long as women keep kicking ass, that’s all that matters to me. Congrats on your medals.

      1. “When you’re a girl, you learn the suffering stops when you start to cry, whine or show the slightest sign of comfort. That the minute you do so, someone will run to protect you from harm. When you’re a girl, chances are you’ve never had to “deal with it” for a long time. Someone — your dad, your brother, your boyfriend — always comes to your rescue.”

        “Don’t count on anyone to come to your rescue in the ring either. In fact, put on that damsel in distress act you’ve learned to master in there and chances are you’ll get an even worse beating that you would’ve if you just kept your mouth shut, walked forward and kept your focus.”

        “I definitely did not write this piece from a sexist place(…)”

        Well, it seems to follow you, because this article was extremely so. That you can’t see it kind of shows sexism isn’t always a gender thing, but a maturation environment thing. You did come from a sexist place because you’ve made it your temple. With comrades in arms, your perspective is solidified and given backing. Your anecdotal experience with a limited sample size further enhances your opinion, as tends to happen. To the point you can confidently be this offensive without any real concern as to what you’re actually saying to women, especially young women who aspire to fight.

        If a woman has to think this way about other women, and surround themselves with people who think this way about about them in either gender, then you’re not trying to fight them. You’re killing them slowly. That’s why they don’t come back.

        They call it toxicity because it very much is like a poison, and you seem to be more than pleased with the fact you’ve added a few more drops into the well.

        “All in all, women stay away from Muay Thai because it forces them to break from a female paradigm that’s been engrained in them for years.”

        Then stop it.

        1. Could not agree more to this comment. I clicked the title expecting the content of the article to be contrary to the article, like most authors do (as you said, for the shock value), but ended up seeing that this article is actually corroborating its title and this whole toxic male-centric sexist culture often seen in fighting sports like boxing.

          Author, you basically admitted that you believe women can’t handle Muay Thai because they genuinely lack the capability, and you’re putting the blame on women who you think are just a bunch of whiners “who cry and do nothing until a male comes to their help”. I dunno, man, I thought that era of girls only being allowed to be “damsels in distress” was over. No girl thinks that way anymore.
          Plus, nobody in their right mind would try to look cute when they’re fighting someone in the ring, if they’re taking the game seriously. A bunch of my friends wrestled in high school so I got to see quite of a bit of their or other kids’ games, but ain’t no girl was tryna look cute. You are confusing a small group of girls who are not that interested and don’t take the sport seriously (if those are who you saw and accurately wrote about in the article), with girls who actually are serious about it. And this article you posted is doing harm to the latter group of girls.

          Just shows how much macho/misogynistic culture has spread in the sport. Which is not uncommon in male-dominated fighting sports. Sad.
          IMO, Girls who never grew up getting into hand fights/play fights like boys do, will find it difficult to suddenly start enjoying combats, and that’s the primary reason why they easily quit after a first try.

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          Oh god. You didn’t get it at all. You just read it, contorted my words to fit your opinion and cherry picked all the way to make sure your theories could prevail. Good for you, girl. Way to keep an open communication and have a discussion.

  3. let me talk about the valentina shevchenko vs joanna jedrzejczyk UFC RECENT fight.
    they certainly did a lot of stand up fighting.
    calling their methods and moves real muay thai is insulting to the knowledgable practitioners.
    one must be drugged and drunk to accept their scrappings for the real thing.
    all these lies and exaggerations add to the dissolution of authentic femer muay thai and seperates now from the golden age !

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